Take for example a 300BLK in a bolt, to me that would only make sense if you were going to shoot it subsonic / suppressed all the time. Stock: Injection-molded synthetic, Sitka Optifade Subalpine finish Sights: None; Picatinny rail And most are fully capable of this. Do you think .308 would have been a quicker put down? it's Arkysaw. As for the .224 Valkyrie, in some states you cant legally hunt big game with a .22-caliber; 6mm (.244) is the minimum. Both rifles had effectively identical optics, and while the 308 Win AR is set up as more of a fighting carbine with Magpul MOE handguards and a fixed front sight base whereas the 224 Valkyrie is more precision oriented with a 15" free float handguard, there's nothing stopping me from forcing the 224 Valkyrie into the fighting carbine role or the 308 Win rifle into the precision role. But if you wanted more than just a simple addition of a small amount of speed, you are probably going to be very happy with 224 Valkyrie, because, while it does offer more speed than the 223 Rem, it also offers the ability to shoot heavier bullets. This approval is critical because it standardizes the manufacture of guns and ammo, opening up for the production of both by any manufacturer. As I wrote when I edited the 13th edition of Cartridges of the World in 2012: While the cartridge [22 PDK] does not offer a substantial advantage over the .22-250 Rem. For the guy shooting 200 to 300 yards, the ARC lends a bigger .244-caliber bullet selection over the Grendel. For every new cartridge that sticks around (6.5 Creedmoor, say), there are probably a dozen that fade into obscurity until they are occasionally rediscovered like a rare vinyl record at a thrift shop. LOL, I wish I had that on tape! JavaScript is disabled. 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If your needs are generalized, this makes sense. I've owned and shot most everything and like playing with different rounds. But one way to get better terminal ballistics is to shoot a heavier/longer bullet of the same caliber, and 6.8 SPC, from what I have seen, shortens the effective range of the M4 instead of lengthening it while 224 Valkyrie increases both terminal effectiveness and range. This 5.6x41mm round is a relatively new alternative to .223 ammunition and has a shorter case that holds more powder and accommodates longer, heavier bullets than a typical .223. I thus built a rifle using an 18" Rock Creek stainless barrel provided by Rainier Arms. You see, the 75gr Full Metal Jacket load the "cheap stuff" from Federal for the 224 Valkyrie is the former, and 7.62x51 M80 ball out of a 24.8" barrel the latter. I bought a cheap upper and with the American Eagle stuff it shoots about MOA. So, even if we don't know why the 6.8 SPC couldn't have just been the 224 Valkyrie or 224 SPC in the first place, thus offering an increase in terminal effectiveness AND an increase in max effective range, we do know that 224 Valkyrie isn't really a brand new cartridge just brand new to the world of standardized cartridges. When it's time to step up for competition, you can spend the same buck-or-so a round to buy 90gr BTHP Federal Gold Medal Match ammunition. Yes, there are lots of .277-caliber bullets to choose from, but those that will work within the magazine and case restrictions of the 6.8 SPC in the AR-15 platform are few. Clear editor. While the 224 Valkyrie's vaunted (too-vaunted, really) "1300 yard" supersonic range is going to be cut short with real world barrel lengths such as 18" compared to a 24" test barrel, keeping a heavy bullet supersonic well past 1000 yards will not be a problem for the Valkyrie. I've already referred to his numbers above. Take the .308 Win. Nosler rifles and ammunition are high quality, accurate, premium products and demand an accordingly premium price. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. It is a solid 1/2moa rifle and Ive had no issues out to 800 yards. And, I think, many people shooting 600 yard competitions with 223 Rem/5.56 NATO rifles would be just fine sticking with that they have and what they know. This load data chart tells us that the most accurate load has a max velocity of 2755 - out of a 24" barrel. The 22 PDK was based on the 6.8 SPC case. Thats like saying one of your AIs are a standard factory gun. Going to start with some factory hornady 88 grns, then move from there. for example; the Federal Premium Gold Medal For some, that wouldn't be a problem, and they'd never dream of shooting the cheapest brass case factory ammo they could find. Both cartridges are supported by data, with the 22 Nosler data coming straight from Nosler and some of the best 224 Valkyrie data coming from Sierra Bullets. i just kinda stuck it up to the shoulder and pointed, didnt have no iron sights and the scope aint worth a crap at short distance. LOL My little 98 Husky 4100 Lightweight shoots awesome too, I laid down some amazing groups with that thing this summer, once I put that limb saver butt pad on her, but I never realized how bad the trigger is on that thing! Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. This was a brief range trip during which I fired only 40 rounds of 224 Valkyrie and 70 rounds of 308 alongside 40 rounds of 223 Rem. so we tie a chain and strap and drug this sucker about two miles. Increased velocity helps everything except for felt recoil and barrel life. Fusion MSR One of the great things about the 224 Valkyrie is that it can be used in both AR-15 and AR-308 platforms. Out of an AR, maybe. I think that's where the disappointment lies. And I have shot the 224V to beyond 2000 yards with success. SpecializationFor just about any general-purpose endeavor, especially those of a tactical nature, the .223 Rem. The short answer is no. Based on years of testing various ARs, Ive found their average precision to be about 1.5 MOA, when multiple random loads are evaluated. Politifact Paints False Picture While Claiming Trump Paints False Picture, Kyle Rittenhouse Acted in Lawful Self Defense in Kenosha. For ammo with more In 2017, recognizing an overwhelming need for .224-based cartridges supporting heavier, longer and more aerodynamic bullets, Federal Ammunition developed the .224 Valkyrie. Both 90-grain loads showed a bit more variance, but I consider this of no consequence since maximum muzzle velocity deviations with each rifle were larger than the difference due to barrel length. The range at which I was shooting only has steel out to 500, but the ACOG BDC was dead on with 224 Valkyrie at every distance available. Thought a Beretta shotgun was out of your budget? i scoped it and seen it was a big hog. How boring! I'll try to find the data on that - I've got a bunch of Valk data in my thread on that thing, and it's comparison to the Grendel popular loads. Pasted as rich text. What does that have to do with the 224 Valkyrie? Both loads are above the minimum "comfortable stability" factor of 1.5 at altitudes above 3200-3700ft. SHOP NOW. In a time when finding a receipt for $99 cases of ammo from 2001 can cause me to weep for the prices of old, shooting more for less is a good thing. that would make a great movie, you guys should have TV show! However, I would be remiss in discussing the 224 Valkyrie if I did not talk about the 22 Nosler. A year after 22 Nosler hit the market, we still aren't seeing these options, just the high-end stuff. Federals .22 caliber round generates as little as half as much recoil as the 6.5 Creedmoor. I've already shot it, and I want to share the gospel of the Valkyrie with you. The new we all would, I'd just like to get my "Dirty Little Thirty" running, that thing handles like a Merkel over and under, perfect for "wing shooting" wild boar! Who DOESNT want a little more powder, and still fit in an AR15 platform ? You got off easy, and provided us with a lot of entertainment, I think you need a "Dirty Little Thirty". What does that have to do with the 224 Valkyrie? There are many different kinds of pistols out there, and whats right for one person might not be right for you. It's fair to assume that losing 6" of barrel length causes the most accurate 22 Nosler 85gr RDF load to drop significantly below that 2755fps number. And it uses 308 Brass ! is it the most optimal 1000y caliber? Even with heavy bullets, one can expect 5.56 NATO loads with 75 or 77gr bullets to be traveling at around 2700 from a 16" and 2800 from a 20" barrel, cutting the "300fps" advantage of 22 Nosler in half. It might be able to fire 55s at over 3250fps! 224 Valkyrie vs 223 Rem performance is negligible, 223AI will out perform it. Plus, of course, there's a supply of 224 Valkyrie ammo from Federal, meaning you can take that brass and reuse it. Unlike the new rifle, though, this one was actually chambered in 308 and based on the "Large Frame AR" platform. You keep running into big fuckers like that, and you just need to hunt with the M-2HB. At 500 yards, its still cooking at 1,994 fps and carries 1,422 fps at 1,000 yards. The only reliability issues experienced during the firing of hundreds of rounds of 224 Valkyrie ammunition were with the Savage Recon LRP. 224 Valkyrie and 22 CM are both designed for heavy bullets and long range. When designing 6.8 SPC, the folks behind the cartridge tested, as I understand it, everything from .224 to .30 cal. Daily people ask about BCA, PSA and what ever other budget AR mfg. (r.) For tactical applications, the 90-grain Fusion load for the 224 Valkyrie is the best option. The 224 Valkyrie is based on the 6.8 SPC case. Target shooters, I think, will love the 224 Valkyrie, especially if they are using the AR15 platform. That would make the Savage a sub-average performer. Neither can compare to the performance of 22-250 from the same length barrel, either in standard or "Superformance" variant. It approved the cartridge on Jan. 22, 2018, with a maximum average pressure (MAP) of 55,000 psi, which is the same as the .223 Rem. left me feeling underwhelmed for two reasons: first, because I just don't care about extremely high velocities, and second, because it's not that much faster. Belt FedNovember 26, 2020 in Hunting, Ok the hog from hell story. Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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While accuracy testing the 90-grain Match load, there were five failures to feed and one blown primer. Unless youre a cartridge geek like me, you probably dont really care where the 224 Valkyrie came from; you just want to know what its capable of. I'm still waiting for someone to introduce the 224x45, created by necking down the 6x45 to shoot 5.56mm bullets. 224 Valkyrie Range TestingModern shooters are like most people: Theyre more interested in what something can do for them than its history. Sure, it's not match grade stuff and it won't shoot like Nosler Custom Competition loads, but at half the price, you can spend more time dialing in your skills and getting to know the performance of the cartridge. Varmint hunters? The 22 Nosler, introduced just last year at SHOT Show, did not seem to be taking the AR world by storm when, less than a year later, news of the 224 Valkyrie broke over the horizon. Genealogy of the 224 ValkyrieMost new centerfire cartridges are based on current cases. oh come on, that made a great story, HOG's are tough,so don't forget your 20 round magazine for that .308. Another consideration regarding velocity: if you reload, you'll probably find that the best (most accurate) 22 Nosler loads aren't the fastest. Receive exclusive deals, new product announcements and need to know information. (l.) The 6.8 SPC (left) is the parent case of the 22 Nosler (center) and 224 Valkyrie (right). With the 15" Geissele handguard in place, the Superlative Arms adjustable gas block is just covered by the handguard, but not so much that I can't quickly and easily adjust the gas system. One If you arent mag limited like with an AR, there are FAR better options in a bolt gun. True story, my Dad decided to improve our herd through breeding, and bought two, very high dollar boar's. No they arent average guns. the bullet went in his snout and came out the back of his neck. the bullet went in his jaw and came out the back of his neck. This hog come out on my shooting lane all the way at the end about 150 yards, i thought it was a bear when i seen it. However, if youre looking for specialization, its in that venue the comparison should take place. It may not display this or other websites correctly. On the other hand, a 1/7 224 Valkyrie should be just fine with, say, 53gr V-Max, and be very flat within the typical varmint hunting distances. What was the estimated energy and speed on impact at that range? Remember our supersonic range calculations for the 22 Nosler firing an 85gr RDF at a claimed 2750fps out of an 18" barrel? WebThe .224 Valkyrie (5.641 mm) [5] cartridge is a .22 caliber (5.6 mm) rimless bottlenecked intermediate rifle cartridge, developed by Federal Premium Ammunition to rival the performance of the .22 Nosler, while still being compatible with modern sporting rifles (MSRs). Shooters are also guilty of neophobia, which is an extreme or irrational fear or dislike of anything new, novel or unfamiliar. Well, it might shock you to learn that a bullet with a G1 ballistic coefficient of .399 and a muzzle velocity of 2850fps has a really, really similar trajectory to a bullet with a G1 ballistic coefficient of .393 and a muzzle velocity of 2800fps. Display as a link instead, This new cartridge, which is really just a modification of a cartridge thats more than a century old, was submitted to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI). No. This means it will work in an AR-15 and reliably feed from conventional 6.8 SPC magazines. The 224 Valkyries bullet is inherently long, thin, and ballistically efficient. you say. You cannot paste images directly. I am 6 foot tall, i was using 90 grain fusions. It also made shooting far more enjoyable. No, the 224 Valkyrie isn't as good as the 6.5mm Creedmoor in terms of external ballistics, but if you want to shoot to nearly the same distances at significantly lower cost and with less recoil, you'll probably love having a 224 Valkyrie in the safe next to your 6.5 Creedmoor. 2650-2700 is doable with the 140's with mild pressure. This gives everyone options, and the starting price for some 75gr FMJ 224 Valkyrie is about 50 cents a round. If hunting with a .224" diameter bullet is legal in your state, I think the Fusion offering is going to be very effective. Send us a message, and our experts will assist you in completing your build. This is a 3.5x35 fixed power scope meant for use on the M240 machine gun and has a ballistic drop compensation reticle to match. But, because of those slender bullets it can work with, it drops and drifts much less beyond that distance. That doesn't sound cool at all in a press release. He sure did eat good though!! The Federal Premium 90-grain .224 Valkyrie has a muzzle velocity of 2,700 fps. Is .224 Valkyrie Better than .308/6.5 Creedmoor? 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WebDeveloped in-house by Federal Premium Ammunition, the .224 Valkyrie is a bottle-necked cartridge holding a rimless 90-grain Sierra MatchKing slug thats been shrunk from 6.8 to I can calculate and compensate for a little more drop a lot easier than I can compensate for rapidly varying wind speeds when shooting 800 yards across a valley. The Savage Recon LRP averaged 1.75 inches for five, five-shot groups with all four factory loads. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. now we couldnt pick that big sucker up to put on a wheeler and it would probably have bottomed out our springs anyway. When gusts died down, I had no problem hitting at distance with either rifle, but when the wind was rapidly changing speed, it was easier to get on target with the Valkyrie than with a 308 Win rifle of similar length, even when shooting match ammunition in the 308. Glad you are able to get out and play brother . well im thinkin he dead so i ease on down the stand and walk toward him and he pulls his butt up and i get about 20 yards and he gets up blowin blood everywhere, he opens his mouth and shows them tusk and snorts and charges me. Well, the answer to that question is, "A lot of things," but relating specifically to the 224 Valkyrie, it remains to be seen how well I can stabilize 90 and 95gr projectiles out of the 18" 1/7 twist barrel generously provided by Rainier Arms, as 1/6.5 seems to be growing in popularity for this caliber. Similarly, and particularly with magazine-fed weapons, is the problem of magazine compatibility. I had a great time smacking steel at some extended ranges for over an hour, and I did this for not a whole lot of money. Photo Credit: Kestrel Meters. He hung it up and liked to pulled our skinnin pole down and started skinning it, the hide and that hard fat layer that comes stuck to it was 2 inches thick. Additionally, right now, even the least-expensive Valkyrie ammunition will cost you about 50 cents per trigger pull. The 6.5 CM pushes a 140gr bullet at around 2600fps. Often, especially at 500 and beyond, one must listen very carefully for the telltale sound of a hit when using 223 Rem. This was important because thats the same rim diameter of the .223 Rem. To each his own but a 224V out of a bolt gun is completely useless. Yes they are made in a factory. and 22 Nosler, the Grendel cannot use the highest BC bullets of its caliber. i'm headed back to camp here in a bit. Control: While these rounds deliver serious speed and a powerful punch, they hit you with as little as half the recoil of a 6.5 Creedmore. Wow!) Before its inception, longer range shooting was dominated by larger caliber bolt rifles or large framed ARs in .308 Winchester and 6.5 Creedmoor. While the 6.5 CM is still better on paper, the .224 Valkyrie can fit within an AR-15 magazine well. The science behind it is justified as well, even though I was a HUGE skeptic. Note that 22 Nosler brass currently costs 20 cents more per case than a loaded round of 224 Valkyrie. ya'll take care. can be converted to 22 Nosler by changing the barrel and switching to 6.8 SPC magazines. But either way i won't be using it next year. Back to the 224V it was designed to push a .224 bullet as fast as possible with sub MOA accuracy out of a AR platform rifle. Well, at least it's a headshot. Some catch on while others fade into obscurity. In the 224 Valkyrie, though, you will see a lot of heavy, long, high ballistic coefficient bullets loaded to magazine length, because the designers sacrificed a tiny amount of case capacity to allow for a longer bullet within the length required by the AR lower receiver and magazine internal dimensions. Given that we're looking at shooting heavier bullets at lower velocities than the 22 Nosler, which has a stated barrel life of 2000 rounds for target and benchrest use or 4000 rounds for competition, I am strongly inclined to believe that the 224 Valkyrie will have moderately increased barrel life compared to 22 Nosler. Think again. But the Valkyrie still holds the trump card: heavy bullets. To find out, I tested two rifles chambered for it. NO. That 6.8" shorter barrel means lower muzzle velocity and thus slightly less ability to buck the wind, and while the wind drift difference at 500 yards between the two barrel lengths was only about 6" with a 10mph wind, the wind at the range that day was extremely gusty and at times over 15mph. IMO I just don't see its usefulness in a bolt rifle. I guess I dont expect mass produced rifles to shoot like custom guns.. in a bolt-action rifle, it is indeed a lighting rod in an AR-15.. And with its greater immunity to wind drift, the 224 This is mostly because with those high-BC bullets, it retains velocity better and drifts less in the wind. Honest question: How do you track hits and misses at that kind of range with something as small as 224V? He also told me that no one has been having stability problems with the new bullet. With the 60-grain load the difference was only 3 fps, with the 75-grain it was 8 fps. Hornady Superformance ammunition uses special Hornady Superformance powder, and the numbers they give for a 5.56 NATO Superformance Match 75gr BTHP from a 20" barrel are 2910fps, only 40fps shy of the Nosler numbers from an 18" barrel. You are making my point. While this bullet will maintain supersonic speeds well past any range where people hunt with .224" diameter projectiles, it should also make for quick, ethical kills of game within the "normal" hunting distances (under 300 yards). You're going to have to deal with a lot less bullshit with either one of those than you will with a .224 Valkyrie right now. Its not as fast as the 22 Nosler, mostly because the 22 Nosler has a higher case capacity. Take it out of the equation and the average becomes more respectable. More case capacity than 6.5 Grendel, 224 Valk, or anything EXCEPT 300 WSSM. I see the Valkyrie as an affordable factory round for practice that is ballistically similar to the

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